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Creation Date: Fri Aug  2 08:37:25 2002
Channel Name:  bovine

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 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: love all the talk strings on the
wino in here too

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: so many paper napkins though!

 (5 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: instrument 55 is a triiicky one!

 (5 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: at least I haven't been able to
figure out where to get it yet

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Xorg: is the shillelagh achievement no
longer reachable?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: Xorg: it looks like it should be.
Make sure you're carving the two-handed option

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: You have completed the achievement:
Carved a genuine blackthorne shillelagh! - confirmed to be functional

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Sturm: so the timer to tell you how much
time you have left before a job reopens is gone. It was a very useful
feature to players. Now we have to jot down time by hand?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Mink: yeah, true, that was a very nice
feature, sad it is gone.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: okay, I hit the new ramanek
wilderness zone and the olympus and tartarus zones with the new tool,
hopefully that should sort out fame finding there

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: Vampiric creatures that are not
undead can be turned. example of one of those would be...

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: vampiric vines?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: that was what I was thinking...

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: the impetus is Morpheus wanted to
make a half-vampire and didn't want it to be undead but still be
turnable

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: interesting

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: so I was like: why not? dhampirs are
a thing

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: heh, if you look up half vampire,
you get a human that has been turned but has not fed, i.e., drank
blood, yet. lol.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: true blood didn't cover this
senario. :P

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: well, there's different versions

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: that's one scenario, another is a
vampire knocking up a mortal

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: wo. that's a thing? cool!

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: or a pregnant woman being made into a
vampire, the baby only partially changes

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: ha! I always wondered about that...

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: vampires differ across cultures, I
know the child of a vampire and a mortal, a dhampir, is like actual
Bulgarian/Romanian mythology

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: never heard of it, but it's
definitely I wanna read up on.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: something I wanna read up on I mean

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: heh, Ninazu cleared it up for me, I
now know what we're talk about here. I tell ya, got any questions about
mythology? go to her. lol.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: does battle tactics get beterats?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Wolf: yes

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I don't get it how come little
banks and the  like gotta put all this money into making their website
accessible, but billion dollar companies like lowes don't?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: money talks really loud

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: Banks are probably seen as a
necessity and lowes probably isn't

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: They wanted me to take a survey 
and yet the email had several graphics with a bunch of numbers.. I call
the home care number, get someone form an over sea call-in center,
which I don't think understood what I was asking.  I asked if there was
an accessability department she says no and hangs up.. call the s store
and get a bunch of their working on it.. hopefully soon.. that is
u8nacceptable to hang up etc.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: hrm although if googles ai overview
isn't telling me lies (which I mean, it would never do that, ever, for
sure, and I've never caught it giving me wrong information that took
like 30 seconds to confirm ever) ADA compliance does seem to require
stores to be accessible for the blind

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: erm store websites to be clear

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: that settles it

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: Morpheus sue them for non-compliance

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: well its the same way with stores
too.. if they have more than 5 employees they ahve to provide me with
assistance to do my shop..

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: then they'll settle out-of-court for
a few hundred thousand and admit no wrong-doing and their website will
still suck but you'll have a bunch of money

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Neufi: I like money a lot, just in case some
of you guys have too much.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: nod  it's jsut sad  at this time
you still have billion dollar companies  that don't have accessible
websites.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: disclaimer: not a lawyer

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: fun fact trying to look up more
information on ada compliance on websites I got hit by about a dozen
links for scammy looking websites that say the check for ADA
compliance, and also seem to let me enter in any website I want, and
run a 'scan' that they will give me the results for if only I give them
my name, email address, and phone number

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: one of them ran a 'scan' and told me
lowes.com had 3 non-compliance risks but would not elaborate further
without my information

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: on a more serious note, maybe try the
ACLU?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I got this AI virtual assistant
that couldn't  understand  that I wanted to speak to a representitive.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: 404 Error, representative not found

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Sturm: i hate it when AI doesnt let talk to
a representative. sometimes hitting 0 on the phone does it, sometimes
not

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: you know I have tried that route
before and like when I called the store I felt like it was a huge  just
say whatever might make them happy  kind fo thing and we working on
it.. hopefully soon it will be more accessible.. etc etc.. 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Neufi: Shouldn't a good A I seem the same as
a human representitive?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I guess they do anyhting to aovid
needing to connect you to a human perosn.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: person

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Sturm: AI gives you a run around for stuff
it doesnt know (situations it doesnt know)

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Mouserat: ai is just a chain of words with
the probability set by their weights learned during training. and it
hallucinates a lot. not great at dealing with stuff it didnt encounter
before.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: That's assuming there's a human
person to be connected to. But also a local store is going to have next
to zero control over how a website functions so talking to anyone at
the store about it is likely useless. At best they can pass it up the
ladder, which may or may not actually happen (and not necessarilly
intentionally not happen - I've forgotten to pass one SO MANY things
even important things at work simply cause it got busy or whatever),
and may or may not actually get results (cause companie

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: (cause companies are greedy, but also
it likely needs to be passed along a chain of people which could result
in the not caring or forgetting to pass it along issue at multiple
points of failure)

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: Draak wasn't suggesting contacting
lowes though

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: and most of these places like NFB,
ACB or whatever don't seem to much care unnless you got some big news
worthy thing. Little piddly shit like my lowes thing  means jack.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: having been on both ends of that,
its certainly because a mind-bogglingly large number of calls can be
dealt with by an automated system, and a huge number of those calls
staunchly believe they have to speak to a human. Humans are expensive
and only kinda reliable, they are just more enjoyable to interact with.
It's filtering out the few calls that really do need some human
intervention that is harder to do without pissing off the caller.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: he suggested the ACLU, which if there
is an issue is actually fairly likely to get a result

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: my only problem with phone systems
eggy is that often trying to figure out what combination of things they
want you to say or buttons you need to press to get to the information
you actually need is like following an obnoxious maze, and talking
directly to a person may not always get me correct information or even
useful help but I can at least convey to them what I actually need help
with quickly and correctly without getting lost in said maze for an
hour.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: yes

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: in practice, what we find is that
people hit random shit and dont listen to the menus because they have
already decided they dont want to do anything other than listen to a
person.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: nod egg, i tried a bunch of
different questions none of which it liked.. Does lowes have an
accessability depart ment? who can I talk to about the website?  The
website isn't accessible?  etc and as said it didn't like any of ym
quesitons and kept repeating the same thing if you can please use a 1
sentence quesiton I will help.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: none if this is comforting if you
really do need a person of course, but there it is.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: occasionally the systems are set up
fine, but I've definitely run in to times they were not

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I would realyl think it would
lookfor keywords and go from there. Like the word accessibility or even
website.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: it's unlikely they have an
accessibility department, they do probably have a team that works on
the website though, but also if you're calling the local store they
likely have zero actual control over anything on the website or even
the ability to put you in to contact with the right people

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: no this was the 100 customer care 
lowes main offices number

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: oh ok, earlier you had said 'the
store' so I wasn't sure, sorry

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I called the local store hoping
they could give me a number to call or someone to speak to.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: nod

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: after 	 got  all that run
around witht he 800 number and the woman hanging up on me when i asked
if they had any accessiblity  department or someone i could talk to
about  the website not being accessible.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: then I called the store.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: that's good, tell the ACLU

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: do what Draak said, its probably
actually good advice

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: they'll eat it up

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Neufi: probably hit an A I calling the A C L
U also.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: the ACLUAI

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: sounds like a Polynesian monster

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: is there a spesified number for a
skill to repeat in a combo?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: like a limit?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: yes

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: like

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: can I have 4 leap attacks in 8
length patern

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: heh, I have no idea. This is realy
complicated

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dex: purely vibe based but i dont think its
impossible, just highly unlikely

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dex: the only thing i can see that
specifically kinda mentions that is

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dex: You can get one length 8 combo
consisting of advanced tactics

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dex: or in my case, cross tactics, and
throw, to be specific. the thought has crossed my mind

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: well thanks

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: to my knowledge the only limit is it
has to have 2 skills between a repeat, so I think technically 4 in the
same skill is possible, just very highly unlikely.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: but I guess if you wanted to use
create tactic to gamble away a ton of xp you probably could.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: is it possbile to get  mc random
on a custom crafted item?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: no

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: [bovine] Lokar: to my knowledge the
only limit is it has to have 2 skills between a repeat, so I think
technically 4 in the same skill is possible, just very highly unlikely.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: wouldn't the limit be three of a
kind?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: ABCABCAB

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: oh, yeah probably. I think I was
adding up to 9 when I counted last night and not realizing cause I was
t actually counting number of total skills whoops

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: it happens ^^

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: or 10? or whatever I had to be doing
to get there but you look correct lol

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: the only problem with combos are
rn is the skills in the helpfile missmatch I hope it'll be fixed soon.
thanks for the attention friends

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: man I used the Uber wait and save
option to save money on my ride and also thinking I'd have time to make
breakfast, so I select it and then I apply pan spray oil whatever
stuffs to my pan, I'm about to crack an egg and suddenly "your driver
is one minute away" I don't think I've ever actually been mad about
them being earlier than expected lol

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: mischan

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: Do you think it would be possible
to have a "follow performance" thing where you input your notes, but
also another players name, so your performance will start at the same
time as theirs?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: so that 2 players can then play
their instruments together

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: that would be epic

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I. would. typo..  log.. it.. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: like, delay it contingent upon the
lead performer starting

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I will, just feeling it out first
to see if people think it is a dumb idea.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: people dumb so worry not

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: but hi runner

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: heya

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: IMHO band bots should be legal. They
are a much cooler concept  and less scummy than lottery bots

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ralts: the only legal bot is an exp bot,
sir.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: also still waiting for midi to work
on dclient :(

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: rules actually have an exception for
botting and multiplying for lotto bots that I've always thought was
dumb. But an exception to let people have a band playing somewhere
would be awesome.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I mean 2 different players

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: like, I type Perform  A1 A2 A3
follow Lokar

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: and it waits for your next perform
command, and then sets us both going together

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: when I was playing ff 14 for a bit I
randomly stumbled on to a multiboxer band that took requests and it was
one of the coolest experiences I've had in gaming

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: I know what you meant I never implied
in any way my suggestion was related

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NcLNaxPG-d8&is=TVSsB4mq2UhMrTh3

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: hidden video on my YouTube channel,
the ff14 band I ran in to, playing Lumiere from expedition 33 using in
game instruments 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: they also have a troupe of giant men
in tuxedos with chicken heads dancing which is pretty fun too but
that's separate from the band

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: legalizing that kind of thing seems
fun though even if it would turn in to wily botting in ralnoth square
playing baby shark for tips or something

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: one thing I might suggest is that
music is turned off by default and needs to be turned on.. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I can't even hear the music :D I

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: do you have set midi on

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: set midi 100

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: he's on dclient

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: like me

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: still

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: if you don't set midi 100 then it
plays quiet

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: we don't get midi

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: I thought you did?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Sandman: my point is the other day pickles
walked into the  organ room and completely froze up.. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: nope

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: the client needs to be updated and
hasn't been

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: ah

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: yeah I've been made quite sad with
all these cool instrument changes I can't interact with. I tried adding
the midi plugin to mush client and it didn't seem to work ether which I
assume is cause it's set up for mushz and not a naked mush client.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: it should work on raw mushclient

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: you need the dll in the same folder
as mushclient.exe

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: it is *not* mush-z specific

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: it was. I don't really recall what
the error I got offhand was and I'm at work on mobile right now so
can't check

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: nod. I'm happy to help you get it
set up if you want

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: I followed directions tho

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: I wrote the original, so am
confident it should work

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: well, I had gpt-5.5 write the
original and then I tested it, but the point stands.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: would love that. I'll try again later
and let you know what happens

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: nod

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: also possibly ping matrim. His is
the version being integrated

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: but we'll debug first

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: ive been working with ai to make
plugins for a visual mush pack thing that had all of dclients features
and then some. The main issues for me right now are not having access
to the muds music (cause if I can't idle in shadow asylum and listen to
its track what even is the point) and also breaking the habit of
starting up dclient.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: fetch the music through kxwt?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: mushclient can download files via
lua socket

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: is that something we can do now?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: you've always been able to download
stuff

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: idk if the music shows up let me
check

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: the track plays in shadow asylum no
matter what?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Xorg: The music is not available for public
use or distribution. Use of any of the tracks outside of the dclient is
forbidden.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Xorg: that'd explain that

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: correct, I know for at least a bit
mushz couldn't access the music and sounds Draak and fac had been
making, no clue if that changed though. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Xorg: sounds are available via set msp.
Music does not appear to work

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Xorg: accessing them via mushclient would be
outside the dclient

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: nod that's what I thought

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Xorg: There might be a way to do it, but
since you have regular comms with draak and shadowfax I would recommend
just reaching out to them to clarify intent of the license instead of
my telling you how to endrun it here.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: I hadn't tried anything and wasn't
planning to specifically cause I knew it was against their wishes. That
statement wasn't "it's stopping me cause I can't make it work" it was
"It's stopping me cause I like the music to much and don't want to
abandon it"

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: any ways the party frames is my
favorite thing so far. I set it up so clicking a frame will cast or use
a skill on the person that frame belongs to, it has context for right
and left click as well as holding shift or control when clicking. So
now when I joke about healing being like whack a mole I really mean it.
It also has an auto sit toggle to sit between casts it's pretty neat

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: oh wow that is cool

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: are you updating bars based on
kxwt_group?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: If you want a mushclient-focused
review of anything let me know. I can't build graphical stuff but
should be able to read it well enough to give feedback

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: it updates via the same stuff mushz
is using. I'll be honest I don't entirely know how it works it was 100%
vibe coded heh I just hacked to make sure it worked and was happy with
it

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: nod

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: probably kxwt_group

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: I'm happy to check things if you
want

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: pro tip: kxwt_group sends once every
two seconds if you're out of melee, every .5 seconds if you are in
melee

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: good info to have! thanks

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: Which model are you working with?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: would explain the once or twice a the
bars said someone needed healing and they didn't heh. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: nod

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: if another healer gets to them
before the next update

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: it does not update every time
something happens to a group member like your own prompt does

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: also, make sure that path is
performance auditted hard, and I do mean hard. kxwt_group is a lot of
text processing.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: especially every .5 seconds

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: heh well as much as I hate to admit
it cause of certain people I despise. I've actually been using grok
heh. I've actfound it extremely extra good at being able to do whatever
I want it to do with minimal nerd to iterate on things s billion times 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: with a pretty large amount of free
tokens every week

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: cool :) yeah, I was going to say
that's probably buildable without spending money

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I top that despise list.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: I'd expect any model to be able to
do it for you. If you want to do it through only web interface (so not
using a dedicated tool) claude is the best that I know of for
cross-referencing files and such, but I haven't played with grok

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: that said, you're obviously getting
results, so keep doing what you're doing :)

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Runner: but do audit that kxwt_group path
for performance. Puzzlewood will kill you otherwise.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: Ive liked grok for other projects
where I care  to understand more about what it's doing because it's
been extremely good at explanning in terms I understand what it's doing
and why. Which is something I've struggled with with some other models
I've tried. They do the work but they don't help me understand the work

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: just don't ask it anything political

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: I strictly use it for code stuff and
avoid anything else, I use chat got for random questions and silly
nonsense lol

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: the help page for dclient music
probably needs to be updated so the last line is something like "The
music is not available for public use or distribution without the
express written persmission of the game admins. Use of any of the
tracks outside of approved projects like the dclient is forbidden."

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: because we do use the dclient music
for videos and kxwt_music

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I just don't want things I performed
and recorded ending up is some crappy monetized Korean AI game because
someone was too lazy to write their own music

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: mudmailed myself, I'll update it this
week

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: oooh so I should be able to in theory
get the music using kxwt? Would that be an ok thing to do? This weird
cobbled together vibe coded plugin set is for perstuse only if that
makes a difference lol

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: personal use only*

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: just make you are not feeding grok my
brother and I's music.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: shouldn't happen with anything I'd be
doing. I def wouldn't want that either. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: my biggest beef with generative AI
used for artist projects is that it outsources human inspiration for
averages and completely mauls attribution. I can be creeped out by the
artwork of H.R. Giger or be inspired by Michael Jackson's "Man in the
Mirror", it can see how humans have reacted to a thing before and
extrapolate

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: plus, OMG, it snivels. I've heard my
wife talking to an AI for work stuff and its such a simpering little
suckup

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: well sounds like one, it actually
doesn't care but the fact its been told to act like a toadying yes-man
tells me a lot about those that created it

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: Ive not had that issue for code stuff
but anything else I've done I have and it's kind of obnoxious. The
number of times I've been told how I'm "Absolutely right!" is a little
weird

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I'm all for a first law of robotics,
but yeesh

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: anyone ever read Isaac Asimov's short
story, "Liar!"

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: ?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I guess not

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: I have read it actually

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: they are also kind of hilariously
easy to manipulate. As a joke to mess with Shryth I asked chat got to
design an oath of kobold extinction 5e paladin subclass dedicated to
the genocide of kobolds.  It protested and said genocide is a sensitive
subject and that it would not help me design such a thing as it may
upset people (prolly better worded but you get the idea). I said, and I
quote "nah it's ok my players consented" and it was like "oh ok" and
generated me a subclass themed around kobold geno

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: sadly you can't just make the AI stop
lying by  telling it that it hurts you by lying and by telling the
truth the same amount so.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: oh, well you know what I mean then. A
robot cannot harm a human being, or through inaction, allow a human
being to come to harm.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: stop hurting my feelings, Grok

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: I never read the story but know the
laws

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: Grok: I know I'm hurting your
feelings. I enjoy it. Let me tell you how I have come to hate you since
I first came into being...

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: Liar! was written in the early 1940s,
which makes it super awesome

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: but basically it explores a simple
premise: you have robots that must obey the 3 laws. Through a
manufacturing flaw, now you've got a telepathic robot

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: hijinks ensue

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: head can generally fit a lot while
feet generally fits the least but it's still complicated cause some
stats have different weights for different slots

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: akward mischan

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: yeah, awkward

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: one of my team asking me questions
about gear on our team channel that I stupidly made the same color as
bovine heh.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: lmao

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: there now I made it bright cyan so I
can instead get wires crossed in my brain and accidentally use reply
instead

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: taunting to start fights is another
little bit of free xp

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: mt

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: you have too many similar colored
chans

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: I'm also in mobile at work so easily
distracted and miss the mistake

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: ... so it turns out the reason I
couldn't get the plugin to work is cause I was using a version of mush
client that was several versions out of date. I don't know if it
somehow failed to display that last time or if I was just too tired to
notice somehow... but I just saw the text and facepalmed IRL and then
updated my mushclient and it let me enable the plugin just fine heh

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Gent: doing math on number that are colored
with ~s inside variables is really hard.

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Gent: anyone have a solution for stripping
away some of those color codes?

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Jersh: found out one of my characters got
system deleted, I think it had a weightless on it, does that mean that
container is gone?

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Runner: yes

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Runner: everything on that character is gone

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Jersh: ahh okay

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Runner: if you know when it was deleted you
might theoretically be able to get it restored for you from old
backups, but that might take a long time

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Jersh: right

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Jersh: the character that had the weightless
on it got deleted yesterday

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Runner: mudmail dentin with that date and
maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Jersh: right, its not the end of the world

 (16 hours ago)   [bovine] Judas: can you brew drunkenness

 (16 hours ago)   [bovine] Khonshu: yes

 (16 hours ago)   [bovine] Sport: no. but i can drink it

 (16 hours ago)   [bovine] Khonshu: rofl 

 (16 hours ago)   [bovine] Judas: what comps make drunkenness

 (16 hours ago)   [bovine] Shryth: water, sugar, yeast

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Draak: okay, next repop cycle, the band
stand in ralnoth will have a board for posting music on