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Creation Date: Fri Aug  2 08:37:25 2002
Channel Name:  bovine

(note - most recent messages are displayed at the bottom)
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 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: i'm at the insane end of my alter
aeon projects: naval combat, midi compatibility and the white whale of
dual-wielding

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: oh my god

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: I was literally just thinking about
dual-wielding today

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: and wishing it was on the mud

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: !!!! dualwielding!!! my
favourite

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: lol that is a wild way to end
indeed

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: me too, but I need to break both the
wear code AND the combat engine to make it work, and both of those are
old, and both of them work very well and I'm afraid of making them not
work well

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: I believe in you.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: ahh, we all love breaking things

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: Don't deny it... 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: sorru i cant help except mouth
off over here....

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] iolite@stellar aeon: that all sounds epic.
good luck to you

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: no, not this sort of stuff

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: breaking the wear code could end up
with objects ending in NULL spaces and people losing loading equipment
and repeated crashes

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: true

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: Yes, taht would be a nightmare for
devs....

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: the combat engine is definitely the
easier project, but every single skill that uses a weapon will need to
be adjusted.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: and I have NO idea how I'm going to
handle disarm yet, heh

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: So like others I say good luck
and... erm, I can't bestow patience on people but I know that all of
that will require a massive amount of it

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: if anyone can do it you can draak
you're smart and methodical and most importantly passionate

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: would it be super difficult to add a
lapidary search switch?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: what would it do?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: search for minerals you could perform
lapidary on.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: ah nod

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: lapidary list minerals. only
displays minerals u found thou

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: yeah tbh though like

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: this is mainly for storage

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: where I have a bunched of mined crap
and want to search through it

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: bunch*

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: what would help too is if stuff
we mine would get a 'mined' keyword. this would help to narrow it down

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: right but like even then for example

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: or a cmineral and rmineral
keyword for common and rare minerals respectively

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: if I type storage get crystal I get
sylvite, which you can't lapidary on

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: u can brew nice poison from it
though

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: hehe

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: so I'm afraid a mined keyword would
run into the same issue

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: I don't even think this matters that
much to be fair, but it would help with newbies to crafting, like me.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: or people who can never remember
stuff, like me.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: all these keywords   adding  there
only so many flas  and stuff you can use.. most newbies don't ahve
storage FYI

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: yeah I can understand that, and most
newbie who also craft are probably into it to a degree where they can
remember most of this stuff lolz.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Sandman: unless like we have  storage lsit
bew  we could do a storage list lap, but that might also include gems
too. 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: tbh I think I'd be okay with that
personally, but that's just me 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Sandman: some are ores.. some are minerals,
but not all minerals and not all ores can be lapped.. 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: right, and I think that's kind of
what I'm struggling with, tbh

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Sandman: I personalyl keep them seperated.. 
here little sandpit you get ores smeleted, but non lap..  here 
sandballs youg et lap  materials.. gems in storage amteirals in
tensors. 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: right and if that ends up being the
solution it's fine. I understand this isn't exactly a snap your fingers
fix, if there is one at all.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Sandman: nod I was jsut mosltry  saying 
flags  are great, but there only so many available before you gotta
start deleting soema nd reusing them.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: but tbh if the solution is lap list
mineral, go through storage, grab said minerals, and sepearte, it's at
least a solution

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: separate

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Sandman: yea can't even do mineral, because
there now like 600 mineral comps.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: the issue is we talking so many
different thigns.. some are ores.. some  are  1001  other comps.. like
frostshard  vs  black diamond vs i

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: ugh  sorry  for second send

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Keign: It's completely understandable why
it's so difficult to do though tbh.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: u only sent it once here

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: no worries

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Rafa: newb

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: coming  from someone in your place
 I wouldn't throw stones when you live in a glass shack.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Rafa: :) 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: rutroh, go-go gadget replay

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Red: is there a reason why we have a
cooldown on bind demon? you're making the pets anyways right, it's just
waiting longer before you can go start running something

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: well its the fact jack.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: mt

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: where are some places where you guys
would like a piano or a similar instrument?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: uh... piano bar?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: in the game

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: uh... like a functional piano
emulator?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: yes

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: an organ in unholy temple of
dentin

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: quasi-functional piano
pseudo-emulation was just implemented last boot

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: heh, way ahead of you there

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: somewhere in the market district
of naginag, think there's a bardic college or something and they need
corepition. one of the bars in ralnot, one of the bars in sussex. i
believe there was some music stuff in atlantis, there too. 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: please no pianos at waypoints
rofl

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: entertainers guild in zin?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: disabling perform in waypoints is
probably a good idea

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: maybe one in the temple of dentin

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I put an organ in the organ room
north of unholy waypoint already, its already a waypoint, though, hmm

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: why are there 2 waypoints next to
each other there?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Rocky: has anyone noticed there are 7
colours in the rainbow and 7 whole notes on a keyboard?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: the bardic college is a good idea, I
put an instrument dealer in there already but a piano or maybe
something more exotic could go there

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: found Isaac Newton's alt

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: i personally wondered too, i
think nuking the cathedral wp wouldnt harm anyone

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Rocky: the 2 way points are to confuse me
and I walk into walls often 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: Dentin added it originally, I'd want
his permission first

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: sussex, eh?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: so many drinkers there i cant see
how one of the many bars there doesnt have life music

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: lol

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: maybe one in the temples in nueva
granada

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: ye olde tache is described as having
a dancefloor, but feels more like a goth club based on the long

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: hm

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: but who'd do the music there

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: AA lore doesnt include EDM up
until now at least 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I feel like an organ in the
cathedral part of castle avalon might be a good fit somewhere

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: new orleans dance music style

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: Enchanted Dance Music?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: with duke elingtons big band or
something

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: so I built our instrument system from
the ground up to be MIDI compatible, so the instruments are all MIDI
instruments

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Darkblood: anyway afk forever, my choir irl
starts in half an hour

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: there are 7 colors in the rainbow
because newton had a weird thing for the number 7, not because there
are 7 "colors" in the rainbow

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: Albion needs a giant installed
mushroom bagpipe version of a pipe organ.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: which means about half of them are
emulating synth instruments, so I reflavored a bunch of them to be
magical instruments

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: my god... you are gonna make us
make music together aren't you?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: with mushrooms that inflate and
deflate into pipes

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Rocky: it looks like there's more than 7,
but in fact just 3 primary colours for the human eye 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Rocky: here ends the sound and vision
analogy 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: there's like a gagillion combinations
of those 3 because of the intensity component, and also some wonkiness
on the far of blue that makes us see violet

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: right, but the 7, roygbiv we
associate with the rainbow,/color wheel, those were identified by
newton to satisfy his 7 kink

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: honestly, cyan is a more valid color
than indigo

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: agreed

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Rocky: 0,100,100 % agree 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: don't forget the alpha layer!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Rocky: bov well that did not track, I will
use brackets next time, smiles 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: maybe an ice Celesta in Eisdorf.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I put a celesta in the avalon
ballroom

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: perfect!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: harpsichord in castle rogonia
ballroom

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: a 20 foot mounted snake shaped
Carnyx on the wall of naginag somewhere.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: alright, added a honkytonk piano to
the golden ox in sussex

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: will we be able to perform with
instruments after the next reboot?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: you should be able to right now

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I am failing, let me try harder

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: what are you typing?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: perform A

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: just want a toot

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: You need to have an instrument in
order to perform.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: its in my inventory, but I cannot
hold or use it.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I can wield it!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: nailed it! perform A1

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: toot accomplished!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: Joha Sebastien Eggn

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: we all have to start somewhere

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: next up, get some john dowland
transcribed

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: The tragedy of slowly watching
Eggweard become kid rock

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Grimmvein: I didn't sign up for this

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: you need to specify a duration
between 1 and 8

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: alias set toooot = perform $*5

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: Sorry, but a note needs a numeric
duration between 1 and 8.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: more o's, more length.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: yeah, the feedback should be pretty
clear

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: it was, I stumbled at the first
hurdle. wield your instrument!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Neufi: If I may ask, did anyone else notice
the extra metal appearing when alloying?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: You begin your performance on a
bizarre piano-like thing, starting with A.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Chiken: You begin your performance on a
bizarre wind pipe instrument called a larynx, starting with A.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Chiken: bwaaaaaaark

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: I believe we all have that, bizarre
wind pipe instrument...

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: in fact, I played mine last
weekend. :P

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Chiken: i, this weekend, Bwaark!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: You begin playing on a set of
Wallachian smallpipes, starting with low B and it starts droning.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: real bagpipes have
multiple drone notes you can switch in at will

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: you know what they say about uilleann
pipes?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: real bagpipes are
powered by an army of leprechauns, each of which draws and gives its
last breath to keep the bladder full before expiring

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: a truly brutal
instrument

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: it takes 21 years to master them, and
the first 7 is saving up for to buy one

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: when I lived in
portland there was a dude who used to unicycle around the parking lot
across the street while bagpiping for practice

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: jesus that sounds very
typically portland, doesnt it

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: yeah, I've seen that

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: not that particular guy probably but
unicycling bagpipers

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: ugh, maybe one day I'll get a set of
smallpipes with a bellows and take it up again, but since I had covid I
just don't have the long capacity anymore

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: lung capacity

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: Can we make swimming and climbing
critical? It seems pretty critical for any adventurer to be able to
swim and climb!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: or at least have someone more tward
the beginning that acn teach it

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: I mean that's not really my
problem tbh. Vemarken teaches it. I just never remember until I'm in an
area where I need it. :P

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: I lied. It's in Bandera Azul, but
same thing.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: huh strange though...  I just
checked the trainer,s and there's like thre with missing locations

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: what gives?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: heh, he's right

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: perform guitar: You need to have an
instrument in order to perform.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: A mahogany guitar, Comp: TIMBER,
MAHOGANY, Type: INSTRUMENT, STRINGED POLYPHONIC TENOR EXTENDED (27),
Weight: 2 , Quality: WELL CRAFTED

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: in your case, wield it

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: ah

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: ooh, this is fun

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: You begin your performance on the
temple organ, starting with D Minor chord. You play C Major chord on
the temple organ. You play A Major chord on the temple organ. You play
D Major chord on the temple organ. You finish your performance.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: you didn't go for ACDC?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: heh

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: I have such a great idea for a
new credit buy option. Brace yourselves.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: credit buy credits - Spend 100
credits to buy 100 credits.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: credit buy I haven't figured out
a name yet, where you can buy a flask of infinate potion of certain
spells like infra, refresh, etc. Nothing broken like restoration, but
something a newbie could get that would serve them until they have
those spells themselves and also don't have to farm scrolls/potions if
they don't want to. It's also not game breaking because the potion
limit full thingy would not apply!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Jasondo: would it at least have a date of
expiration on it?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: nope, but I'd hope the potion
cooldown would limit its abuse.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: but also it's just not useful to
higher level players

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: Excepting refresh, obviously

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: infinite refresh is certainly
useful for any level lol

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: yeah that's why I said except
refresh lol

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: but also I understand this would
never work. There aren't enough use cases to make it worth it even if
refresh wasn't broken af.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: given there are perm infra items
available super early on and u can use a light source in your inv, and
you get a spirit belt and access to tons of detect invis scrolls before
yoiu actually encounter invisible things I personally wouldnt need it

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: That's actually pretty fair.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: I genuinely forget there are perm
items at such low levels now.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: I think there is the credit buy
detection or something option alrady which however isnt permanent, but
the spells ther last quite long bc they are at god levl or something

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: oh or i might be lying i cnato find
it

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: i thought it existe

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Cervantes: spellup

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: oh 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: nod

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: You find a gold tooth in the corpse
of A cheese seller's mouth and carefully  extract it! (Looks like there
is 3 coins worth of gold.) 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Khonshu: um wow

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: is this new?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: this positively neve rhappened to
me before

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: been there for a while

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: is there a command for
writing/keeping notes. totally text based just to not forget things?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Soryuu: i doubt it, just use a text editor
on your computer i'd guess

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: you can write an alias and have it
local echo

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: mmm ok. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: you can also get notepads in some
stores that you can write notes on

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: like notes alias and it can display

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: do they still exist, id prefer an
alias i can't lose it as easily

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: well, you have the keep/noput flag
now too

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: alias dont take up space too. ok
i do that

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: a notepad is like one pound

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: can i keep addinf n changing the
notepad?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: yeah alias edit

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: and start each line with lec

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Soryuu: yeah just edit the alias and you can
change it how you like

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: I have 34 notes on my notepad

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: yes shryth both ways work lol

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: you use it like you would a board

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: nod

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: ok thks again

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: i cant edit a message i wrote on
the notepad?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: no

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: delete though

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: and rewrite

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: why i would  make notes in word
doc in pc edit  add  remvoe  all much much easier.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: ahhh ok ok 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: that's why i said local echo alias if
you're determined to use the mud for it

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I have hundreds of thousands of of
word doc on my pc.. from notes.. to building an entire area.. eqsets..
directions.. etcetc etc

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: I wouldn't because i have Google
notes on my pixel

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: Back those up

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: triple back up

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: just wanted to keep my own
mineral notes plus their uses. hahaha

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: as said  I would do that in word
or text or soemthing on your pc, storing that much info on the game  is
risky.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: crashes.. reboots..  sac  wrong
bag..  trust me  been there done that and cried.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: shit

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Silverclaw: ahhh ok notepad is a no no then

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I once put 85 specps on a mob..
got sidetracked picked the mob up.. went to go deal witht he issue..
came back started working  on the mob in the room and saved..  thus in
turn deleting  all of my work

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: logs though?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: logged what?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: once I saved the  empty mob all I
ahd done was  gone.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: i mean your client had what you typed
in i mean it's still a bummer

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: my client only ahs so many liens I
can go back.. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: damn

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: hence why I tell new builders to
always  load a new mob.. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: thats like when some moron department
supervisor where i work tried to reset a bay of 200+ individual items
and nulled it out

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Noryn: i got it close with a digital map of
what it started as then i had to spend 30 mins or so editing it
correctly

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Ralts: I have such a good idea for a spell
brace yourselves

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Gwendolyn: wow

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Gwendolyn: so amazing

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Ralts: we need a druid spell that punches
small holes in ceilings that let in view of the sky. I know. You don't
need to tell me how good it is.

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Amaya: c punch hole in the roof

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Ralts: Okay so seriously though my spam
filters are on but I'm still seeing spam

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Dentin: endeepifying the analysis

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Dentin: darth facepalm and his trusty
apprentice, darth idiotball