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Creation Date: Fri Aug  2 08:37:25 2002
Channel Name:  bovine

(note - most recent messages are displayed at the bottom)
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 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: unless you really think you'd confuse
fireweb and sanctuary and not know which one is a buff somehow 

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: dystopic
enhancification

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: enhancified corrosive
petulanism

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: petulant monolith of
defiance

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: defiant architecture

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: architect of
refrigerator magnets

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: magnetic dispensary

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Pierre: get your robot repelent today 

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: pierre!  buddy! 
where's your pirate hat?!

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Pierre: i got to get my hands on 1 

 (9 days ago)     [bovine] Wyrm: i c

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Earthshaker: Am I misunderstanding the
"spam" minion" filter? It's set to none, yet the ddruid animals are
still being shown

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: its working jsut fine for me.. i
have bats  spam none I see nothing in the room.. 

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Earthshaker: Oh what I was seeking is to
stop the animal combat damage messages.

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Earthshaker: I can't see what the bloodrage
skill is doing for example.

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Earthshaker: Got it. Was "spam damage".

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Khonshu: Black-veined rock is an ore of a
metal you do not know how to work with yet.

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Khonshu: this is sad

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: requires a skill to  work with
it.. same with the blood metal

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Khonshu: oh which skill is that?

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: black metal now requires shadow
mastery and forging blood red metal

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Khonshu: well that will be a while

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Khonshu: until i can learn shadow mastery

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Khonshu: maybe my thief knows it and i can
use them to smelt it

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: I don't think it will matter I
don't think oyuc an work with it period. 

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: fart emote needs a special string
for when you are underwater.

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Coyote: ha yes

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Kraven: I know right?

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Tarzan: a bubbling noise

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Coyote: and if you're in space

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Kraven: no more anonymous gases

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Potato: no sounds in the space 

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: there no space..

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Asuka: why is there always a long pause
before someone actually says something?

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Asuka: I mean an npc

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Eruiluvatar: to make sure you have seen it i
guess

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Asuka: it just makes me wonder if my
internet sux

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: just an FYI for folks, I've been
going through some older zones the past couple months, and upgrading
items so they can be inlaid, have rivets added or gems added, making a
lot of MAGIC held items into type FOCUS. The goal is by next year, to
have most of the game has the objects upgraded and to blur the line
between crafted and loading objects more

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: been hitting some really old zones
this week: jade lake, orc village, alchemist castle, green river

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: I've thought a lot of old zones could
use cool updates with modern touches so this is neat! I wish we had
more custom craft stuff in old places where possible/apropriate. Like
deep dragons shell should instead be skinned off a deep dragon corpse
and crafted in to the piece its currently traded for. I'm sure there's
plenty of other examples like that.

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: eh, I don't want to strip away all
the old trade specps

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: though there are some places i've
noticed where there are mob pieces that just kind of exist

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: and don't seem to be used for
anything

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: not all, just some, it's not like
important or pressing or anything anyways. I just think about this
stuff a lot. Custom craft is cool and largely used only in more modern
areas (for obvious reasons)

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: I've been thinking about moving the
cloak from black dragon on to a custom craft cause currently it just
loads when you kill it which makes sense for when it was made, but
makes less sense with custom craft being a thing.

 (8 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: that's a good idea

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: yes I have done that with a few
animal skins and the like that just loaded on the mob like a silly
loking piece of eq. just make sure the crafting makes sense, I mean you
wouldn't get a shell form a dragon, you would skin a sheet of scales..
I wish I thought of this when we releveled eq across suboria. I have
also been updating  eq as well, a bit slower because I am also trying
to get  a group of areas ready to be released.

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I wonder if people can duplicate the
outfits worn by the scooby gang using tailoring, hmmm

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: that would be a test of its
versatiliy

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: versatility

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Darklord: rutroh raggy

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: would a leather collar need to be
dyed?

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: no

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I forget what color his collar is

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: blue

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I would add there is no evidence that
scobby's collar is leather, and you can make collars from fabric

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: FYI  new tailor on  kordan in
gnomian. People been saying all other guilds had 2 job givers except
tailor so now it has 2 as well.

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: Thank you Morpheus!

 (7 days ago)     [bovine] Druidia: ooh just did a replay of bovine.
hapy to see old areas are being reworked. would admin like suggestions
on areas to consider or should we just keep our yap shut. my suggestion
would be fire towers. noticed a lot of level 26 items in there

 (6 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: thanks, but we probably don't need
suggestions. We not just going around updating every area.. We updating
areas out of level, adding templates and fixing little odd things like
skins that could be custom crafted into something that more makes sense
and the like.

 (6 days ago)     [bovine] Khonshu: is it bossible to return my
complextion to normal, it says i am ashened

 (6 days ago)     [bovine] Lokar: late reply but also RE fire towers
nobody wants to touch it :P

 (6 days ago)     [bovine] Dex:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6zuNZhXzMrQ mom says we have plasma
toroids at home

 (6 days ago)     [bovine] Dex:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cKe-FHDJ9w plasma toroids at home

 (6 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: tachyon discriminators
and plasma conduits and toroidial subspace manifolds ahoy!

 (6 days ago)     [bovine] Mathayas: put a turbo on that manifold!

 (6 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: avast ye! unfurl the neutron sails
and pull the gravity anchor!

 (5 days ago)     [bovine] Meko: on the damage/time portion of the the
stats diplay, what amount of time is that number referring to, the help
file just says a given period?, or is that one of those details
whitheld on purpose?

 (5 days ago)     [bovine] Massacreman: sounds like a tornado from
hell. 

 (5 days ago)     [bovine] Massacreman: You dream a dream... You see a
roiling black vortex creeping over the land, devouring all in its path.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: hi friends!

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: hello

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: any one available to help me sort out
some account and logging in issues?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: are you able to log in to the
website with the account that has your other characters in it?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: yes, both accounts can log in on the
website

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: when you make a new character,
don't you assign it the email associated with your main account?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: yes

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: this char is linked to my main
accoutn

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: ok, so what is the problem?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: this new char that i made is the only
char i can log into

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: from either account

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: who is another of your characters?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: from this account i have invia and
hohgan

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: not to be confused with hogahn, bc
that on is on the wrong account

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: sorry, did you see that on gossip?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I was typing all in the wrong
channel

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: shoot this char doesnt have gossip
one, let me turn it on

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: i didnt see any of it. can you share
it here too? 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I will retype

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: so type this: account password
Invia

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: then enter your account master
password (thats the one that works on the website)

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: then type a new password for
Invia, then confirm it.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: done

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: can you now log in Invia with that
password?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: that worked. same password just no
capitals

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: yep, will i need to do that with all
my chars?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: you can do whatever you like

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: My password still works with
capitals in it in various places

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: what in the world. let me go do that
for my chars i guess. 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: can you help me with another issue
while ive got you on the line?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: as you now know that you can
always make a new char, add it to your account, and use you master
password in game to change the passwords of your other account
characters, you can experiment with passwords to see what works for you

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: sure

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: sorry was copying and pasting that
into a document so i can go back and change everyones every thing lol. 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: i donated yesterday through this
account, but my paypal email is the email of my second account (which i
wouldnt mind if it got deleted, after i get my credits). I mudmailed
dentin to make sure there was no confusion. i dont want to miss the
weightless bag sale. How long do those sales last, and do you think ill
get my credits in time to buy it?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: no, I dont think you will

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: thats pretty bad. thats the whole
reason i donated again :(

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: you should mudmail dentin to merge
your accounts after you get that all sorted out

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: donating on the website can be
recommended

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: i have mudmailed him about merging
the accounts twice before this. 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: once you have your accounts fixed

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I strongly recommend not using
paypal to buy credits if there is any way for you to use a credit card
instead.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: i donated thru this account thru the
website. 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eruiluvatar: agreed it takes far longer

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: ill go put a stop payment on it then,
brb

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: card is instant

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: Its just that it requires a
personal interaction, presumably by dentin, who is super busy, and may
not check in to do it very often

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: okay i stopped the payment thru
paypal

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: so i should use my credit card thru
the website, logged in tho this account?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: thats what I do

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: make sure your account page shows
the correct characters

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: wish we could just delete the other
account completely

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: all the chars i want to keep are
here, the other ones are low in lvl and are no big loss

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I guess you can just ignore them
forever

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: yeah thats the plan, eventually they
will disappear

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: I'm sorry, maybe its a mushroom
you can gather

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: mt for mushroom help

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: i logged into one today just to see
if i could log into any of my chars

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: where is the list for weightless
"types"? ive read faq 2 and faq 2.12 on weightless bags, and did help
weightless. 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: credit buy weightless show

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: you deserve a raise

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ellik: brb on the right char

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Massacreman: is there a way for the group
leader to opt out from flanking attacks?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: do you even flank while nomelee?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Massacreman: I don't think so

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: yes I think so, it tries to get
everyrone involved with the flank

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Massacreman: oh maybe

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: I know that flanking used to affect
healers, but maybe they changed that

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Massacreman: how does it decid who is
healer? the healer flag in the group?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Massacreman: er decide*

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: oh I just meant people in nomelee
healing

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Massacreman: ah

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: but it might be different now

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Majica: is there a way using in game methods
to remove punctuation and extra spaces from tac show command I have
tried doing it with all sorts of ways form chp

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Majica: I ask since it would be nice just to
coppyand paste one line of text and hten just paste it in to the alias
editor 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: the vertical bars make it hard.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I wonder if we should replace those
with commas

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Majica: nod the bars and the spaces have
tried all sorts of ways from cut to what ever else rofl

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: yes that'd be way better

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: someone mudmail me that

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: thanks

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Majica: if you must credit the people that
suggested it in the change log not sure on how this works i request not
to be part of the crediting as they call it rofl.

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: who said that?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: majica?

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: never heard of him

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Eggweard: we need to credit Alan Smithee

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Majica: rofl 

 (4 days ago)     [bovine] Mink: today is necro day.. Complete the 3
tasks below to gain a reward. ..  Blood sacrifice a corpse...  Steal a
soul...  Harvest spellcomps from a corpse.

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: neato

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03420-x

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Majica: is there a way to see on whatfame
mobs you killed without going to each city to see if you have all fame
there

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: no part of the challenge is
infidning and killing them, Each area has a max of 6 fame and the game
will give you a hint with the last one.. One needs to go from area to
area and type where fame. 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Majica: can isee on what each equipment
provides without taking it off 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Firefury: hey, why i'm doing less damage
than usual? 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Firefury: my eq stills the same

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Firefury: and i ran the same area

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Firefury: but it's not a strings thing

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Dentin@stellar aeon: oh, thats because I'm a
terrible person

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mink: yes you are <3

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Matrim: is a god online?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Matrim: we have a uh, situation

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Matrim: nvm

 (16 hours ago)   [bovine] Mink: sitting  while forgin?

 (16 hours ago)   [bovine] Shryth: so, you can't rest while forging,
but you can start forging while resting, which then ruins the metal as
you aren't forced to stand up

 (12 hours ago)   [bovine] Draak: that is not correct, Shryth. You
cannot start forging or smelting while resting.

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: guys does increased stamina only work
in combat?

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: the reason i ask is because i learned
it specifically for skinning

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: and it made no difference on my
stamina

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: i ran out exactly the same before i
spent 4 practices on it

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: so I am presuming it's a combat
mechanic

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Draak: it should just boost your movement,
like the raw maximum movement you have

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: there was no difference on the
skinning activity

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: i ran out of move  at the same point
when i never new the skill

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Draak: what were you trying to skin?

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: a dinosaur

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Draak: bigger critters take longer to skin

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: i get that but i had to refresh the
exact same amout before i knew increased stamina on the same mob

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: sound would love my 4 practices back
please

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: lol

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: just thought i might have got at least
1 or 2 more skins from a full movement pool

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: hence why i thought it maybe a cpombat
thing

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: could it be conflicting with iron
blood?

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: no, huge skins just take a lot of
movement

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: skinning is movement intensive and
goes much faster than ironblood can keep up. You can use second wind,
increased stamina helps, and if you have a cleric around refresh will
also mostly keep up

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: yeah that was my point really runner,
there was no difference after me learning the skill

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: so i could have not even bothered

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: learning what, second wind?
increased stamina?

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: increased stamina

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: those are useful in a lot more cases
than skinning

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: replay bovine runner

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: increased stamina is not something
you learn for skinning - learn it for travel

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: thats what i wanted to know thanks

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: i thought it was universal

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: on everything that took move

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: increased stamina doesn't reduce the
cost

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: it increases your maximum

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: so you probably have 80 or so more
movement than you did before you learned it

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: it literally boosts the stat

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: o i see, tbh i neverchecked before and
after

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: i was just perplexed because i never
got even 1 extra skin before i needed to refresh

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: because the skins cost a hundred

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: gotcha

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: skinning is the most
movement-intensive action on the game, with the possible exception of
spamming whirlwind

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: also train your con

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: wish i knew the facts before i learned
it

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: it's worth learning

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: not for me as i just craft tbh

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: still worth it

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: skinning no, but everything else yes

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: okey dokey, thanks

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Runner: it's not something you really feel
when you have, but if you go back to not having it you'll probably
notice

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Swifin: The 'increased stamina' skill is a
passive skill that permanently raises your movement. - directly from
the help file

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Ryan: yeah i reafd that too

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Deadinator: How are these soulstones
rememberring the mobs they were pulled from?

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: its magic lol

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Shryth: what do you mean?

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Deadinator: When I do the soulhunter jobs,
the employers are mentioning the creatures I pulled them from more
often than not.

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: an extra data point was added to the
object and the soulsteal code records the name of the mob in that area

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: probably

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Deadinator: Kwartis of the Seventh Deadworld
tells you, 'Ooh, an ogre-mage inside, interesting! Yet I need 95 more
levels of soulstones!'

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Morpheus: temp memmory on the soul.

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Shryth: huh, hadn't noticed that

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Deadinator: Really neat touch that is.

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: just a guess lol

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Morpheus: objects  have all kinds of temp
memmory things you can't see.

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: no doubt

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Eggweard: that concept directly contradicts
the book "The Necromarcanorum Volume I: Souls "

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Eggweard: but it is very fun nonetheless

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: does that book also cover what a
hex-a-couple-multi-complicator?

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: is

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Morpheus: like a  death bind timer..  if we
set it to time  out if an object is deathload  and left on ground it
will slowly tick down and expire.

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Eggweard: no, that is covered in "25
questions too complicated for mere mortals"

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: ah..  will order that from amazon
asap

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Shryth: remember to get the one written by
Justaman Notagod, the others are AI generated scams

 (9 hours ago)    [bovine] Tboss: I am still waiting for the guild of
body guards to publish the recipe for a serious can-o-woopass

 (8 hours ago)    [bovine] Lokar: I dont think it necessarily
contradicts the book, its possible the source of the energy binding the
soul can be recognized, and someone commenting on the soul being
received probably sin't going to be like 'Oh neat the energy that bound
the soul of an ogrer-magi that is totally different from the literal
soul of an ogre-magi' they probably would just say what was quoted
above. A lot of things get short handed in reality in ways that aren't
'literal'

 (8 hours ago)    [bovine] Eggweard: nice save.

 (8 hours ago)    [bovine] Eggweard: also "its just a book, the author
is mistaken"

 (8 hours ago)    [bovine] Morpheus: yea who knows what things demons
can see we can't see.

 (8 hours ago)    [bovine] Eggweard: well in my case that could be
"their own feet"

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Mink: draak, when you cast heaven in a room,
then for some reason you are forced to sit down, but the sit down does
not count as sit down, so you can still start a forging project, but
half a second after it stops.