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Creation Date: Fri Aug  2 08:37:25 2002
Channel Name:  bovine

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 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: or maybe it really well translated
xianxia novel, I was never completely certain...

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: I cannot believe Ramon's reign
happened in 2024

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: I like how he specified 0 minutes

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: wait -- he spell-corrected Daniel
no way!!!

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: yeah but I've still got no clue who
daniel galilov is, google isn't finding anything helpful

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: I was curious enough to look

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: roflmfao I didn't even bother

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: but good to know it's probably
made up

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: it just seemed so oddly specific it
made me curious if it was someone he had a weird fixation on that was
actually someone

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: I wonder if he knows blah
technically ends in an h, iirc

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: he's going to start making adverb
chars now isn't he?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: this really makes you appreciate
the enormous number of names possible

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: even after 30 years

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: I think Starry/firedancer already
did that years ago :P

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: what, named?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: no, made us appreciate  the
enormous number of names possible :P

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: oh fair

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: I don't think I was around during
her reign though I think I might have caught an occational brief login

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: she had so many alts cause she kept
making new characters for silly reasons that dentin actually banned her
from making new characters

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: def heard of the reputation though

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: think she made 400 chars

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: There's always the one player who
never stops making them, even if not quite as publically as Firedancer

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: I don't judge, but even I stopped
at 20

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: lol that just made me remember how
you used to recognize me by the smart punctuation on iOS val

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: I mean making alts isnt the worst
but it was the sheer volume, she was making a new character multiple
times a day at one point. 

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: nod

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: one day I remember she very
specifically made a new character because the auto generated
description of the one she was on at the time, and I quote "looked too
black"

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: Wow

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: it was the bushy hair, right?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: lol Draak

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: maybe dreadlocks?

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I think there's cornrows, too

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: It seems that most of those chars
probably nolonger exist

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: yeah most likely

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: so low lev I'm guessing

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: oh, man, there's all these dormant
hair colors I never set up the code for dyeing hair

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: oh every single character she had
was low level lol

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: Justice for purple hair

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: or something

 (3 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: rofl alter was her fashion show
heh

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: how's the changes to bleeding holding
up? Are we still getting storm of roses kill stealing?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: @draak the bleeding deaths have stop,
and i'm getting full exp now

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: very good

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: hey draak can you look into autolevel
area scaling? It seems to not scale quickly enough as group members are
added on. I'm not sure if any of the numbers changed in the last month
or so, but it used to work great and now it doesn't as much

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: is autolevel base on group level>? or
group memebers?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: both

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: autogroup areas only scale based on
group size, but autolevel scales on both group size and group level.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: shenlong for me is only good exp till
the 2nd level and solo

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: if i add bodies it gets marginally
harder and i get less exp

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: yes, that's what I mean by the scaling
factor isn't high enough, it does get harder but not enough

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: let me first of all just rule out of
those areas area dented

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: we tried it in gaseous gosades about a
week ago

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: only the final set of mobs was giving
good exp, the first two or three sets used to give consistently solid
exp, almost caps, but were giving almost nothing

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: wrong

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: mt

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: well shenlong is a joke honestly till
second level

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: 15 k for killing terrocata soldier

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: shenlaun is overran, it does usually
show up on the dent list because it's easy to run and easily accessible

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: but gaseous requires a group so it
doesn't show up there

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: i only go there when its off dent list

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: heh, severe denting apparently on
Shenlong

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: and Gaseous Gosades

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: funnily enough shenlaun isn't on area
dent, I guess the later parts of the area aren't dented or something so
it doesn't make the list for that reason

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: its not on area dent list for me

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: aww that makes sense

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: hmmm, okay

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: the dent list was always sme
aggregation of everything in the area.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: so apparently this debug command is
bugged, its showing severe for everything

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: so is this just limited to the
autolevel areas? how are group areas?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: group areas are fine

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: I've only seen it in autolevel areas,
autogroup areas are also okay.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I do wonder if its doing the
autolevel part correctly but not the autogroup

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: actually, would you two mind doing an
experiment?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: can also gr join if needed

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: one of you open an autolevel area, I
stat some mobs, then the other joins you and I'll see what happens to
the mobs?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: sure

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I appreciate that.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: ok I'm in shenlaun now

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: let me know when you have done some
statting and I'll get someone else into it

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: sorry, had to get tissues. Allergies
are killing me

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: okay, that should be a good baseline

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: ok a second person is here now

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I'll give it a couple minutes to
simmer

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: thank you for your patience

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Amelia: hello there, could someone please
tell me what this channel is for?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Sasami: it's technical stuff about the game

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: code, diagnostics, shooting the
breeze

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: *blinks

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: we're actually doing a diagnostic
test right now

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Rocky: chewing the cud?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: doh, that was right there

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: why is everything so hard draak? can
you put the game on easy mode for me?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: because I love you

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Simo: aww the lucifering doctrine, becasue
it is hard you are strong.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Rocky: btw if you need another to join ivey
I'm available 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Sasami: I kind of wish alter had a roguelike
mode.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Sasami: there she goes...there she goes
again.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: you found the issue?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: okay, they definitely got tougher

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: yeah, they get tougher, it's just not
enough to scale up well

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: okay, I'll poke at later, send me a
mudmail

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: nods

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I wonder if its hitting some internal
cap

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: it's perplexing because it was working
perfectly until sometime last month

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: probably mid august to early september
is where you'd want to look, if you have commit history

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: wait, have one of you leave

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: the area itself shows the level and
group adjustments when I stat it

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: ok, a person left.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: Cur group size:  2.0  Cur group
level: 42.0

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: that's what it was

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Gwendolyn: hahah odd that group size is a
floating point number

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: Cur group size:  1.0  Cur group
level: 45.0

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: oh interesting

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Gwendolyn: oh why did the level change

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: murcedes was in here

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: ha! that might be part of explanation

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: and he is a total 164 player so level
41 I think

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Gwendolyn: ah, it takes the average groups
level

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: that actually might be the whole
explanation

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: oh no he would be level 40

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: though if you add like 5 people on,
even if a lot of them are in the total 170 range it should probably
still scale up the level a bit, not down?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: like if I"m level 45, and I add 5 
people who are level 41, it should level the area up to 44 ish even
though all those people would bring the average to something like 41.7

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Gwendolyn: for each x group members incrase
level by 1

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Gwendolyn: -> have gaseous gosades be total
mass murder

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: yeah, maybe a small manual adjustment
of 1 level for every 3 group members would work

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: or every 4

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: added on to the current number

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: that way even a group of 12 people
would only increase the level by 3 which seems fair

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: maybe, I'll have to give it some
thought

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: okay, cool

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: I'l mudmail with this suggestion

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: thanks for humoring me with the
little experiment

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: its hard to pull off stuff like that
on my test copy of the game

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: for the most part.. sure I will
always tweak add new stuff and maybe even  a few quests, but new areas
etc  not going to happen.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: mt

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: ooh, mysterious

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: is this reboot to fix the severe dent
problem youw ere seeing

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Morpheus: no more to fix a jimm issue.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: oh that makes sense

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Reficul: Hooray

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: what was wrong with group mobs? They
seemed fine already but hard to keep up with all of that

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: OMG POSE

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: wait the pose command isn't displaying
anything for me

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: for me too

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: ooh

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: hehe neiterh for me, both when no
arguments or when providing a class argument

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: Your other strengths outshine your
mage abilities too much to make such a pose.

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: well that's not what happened when I
tested it

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: yep i can produce the pose fail
string

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: but no others

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: when I type pose noneclass
keyboard I get Pose for what class?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: crapcrapcrap

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: oops

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: is it showing strings to the room?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: keyword

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: someone come 1 s unholy

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Shryth: wtf Alma

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: rofl sry

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: cant spell consent

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: ok it looks like not displaying to
room either

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Almaric: yep

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: yep pose is just  not displyinag any
strings

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: except fail strings

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I'll get it fixed for the weekend,
hardly a critical failure

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Mercedes: gl

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Draak: I'm going to blame Jimm, I probably
got sidetracked making anti-jimm code and accidently pushed an
unfinished version

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Gwendolyn: Extra! Extra! The news headline
has been updated! Use the 'news' command to

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Gwendolyn: cool string

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: does a clan trader count an a loaded
object? if so, is there a way to move the clan trader once placed?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: the clan trader is a mob, correct?

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: yes

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: but I'm getting an error about
something loaded int he room

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: no mbos that I am aware of can be
moved ocne placed in clan

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: you can have a special mob set up as
a clan trader that stays put unless you are saying that can't be moved

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: and you can only have one mob in a
room, no more -- and you may not be able to place on in the same room
as soemthing like a clan table, but not sure

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: right so what are you saying

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: clan mobs can't be moved

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: you can only have one thing per
clan room, that includes boards, tables, and traders. I dont think
there is a way to technically 'move' it but you can get clever and
literally just move the room and put another room in its place easily
enough

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: just change where the exits connect

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: oof

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: well it's in our waypoint room

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Valront: heh well ok thats less easy

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: I guess we can refactor the entire
area

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: but the error string does say object

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: maybe an acception can be made 

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: I assume builders can't help with
thigns like this,

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: I seem to remember Morph saying
something like builders being unable to do thigns with clans

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: builders cannot. Gods maybe

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: hence asking

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: builder=god

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: in my lingo

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: they are very much not the same

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: I can't say for sure that higher
level builders can't edit clans, though I do think that's what Morph
implied, but one thing I do know is that purchases that require higher
help in clans like trader eq and recall string etc have to be done by
Dentin specifically, so if a builder can do it, he's most likely teh
only one who can

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Ivey: I don't think builders work on clans
anymore to avoid favoritism

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: builders can't edit clan areas to my
knoledge

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: would dentin be able to move our can
trader mob

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Lejaguar: Youc an always mudmail and ask,
though it might be better to jsut periodically check if he's active on
who and if so send him a tell and ask

 (2 days ago)     [bovine] Judas: yes thank you jag.

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Gwendolyn: can we do or expressions when
greping

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Gwendolyn: i.e. line shall contain either A
or B

 (1 day ago)      [bovine] Draak: Gwendolyn: help socket filter

 (11 hours ago)   [bovine] Draak: Accidentals: # for sharp, & for flat
(this is optional)

 (7 hours ago)    [bovine] Molly: :(

 (7 hours ago)    [bovine] Molly: can we get 1995 port for an hour!

 (7 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: we're bringing down the _entire_
server for an hour

 (7 hours ago)    [bovine] Molly: aha

 (7 hours ago)    [bovine] Gent: there is only so much grass I can
touch

 (7 hours ago)    [bovine] Badkitty: smirk Gent

 (7 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: I think what I'm going to do is
reboot the machine first to shut down everything, pull a final copy,
then swap ip addresses and try to bring everything back up

 (7 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: hrm, probably not worth delaying

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: hrm

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Almaric: hm, why was the server rebooted /
restarted / whatever? The process looked different from my players view
than a traditional reboot

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: server reinstall

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Almaric: nod

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Almaric: did it work as intended?

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Judas: server going to go back down?

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Judas: sorry just logged in

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: nah

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: mc

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: hi Dentin

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: random players seem to be logging in
and right back out again

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: like faster than is possible to do
by hand

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: im guessing that's the pfile synccer

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: not sure why it would spontaneously
start running, but it's probably fine

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: huh

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: wow uh

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: it's logging in previously-deleted
players?

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: oh ugh, yeah, I know what's
happening

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: thanks for the hint

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: I'm pretty sure this will fix itself
over time, it'll just be spammy for a bit

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: what is the point of it doing this,
curious

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: its part of the pfile cleaner

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: delete things that are too old, and
pick up things that are new but are unexpected

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: synchronization

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: nod

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: they'll re-delete in a few months,
it should be fine

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Dentin: think I'm going to call it here

 (6 hours ago)    [bovine] Xzibit: nodnod

 (9 minutes ago)  [bovine] Mercedes: how so I got 2 dayley gifts today
and 2 from jobs in total of 4

 (9 minutes ago)  [bovine] Derek: huh. Server got a new time or
something?

 (8 minutes ago)  [bovine] Kurov: wow that was weird

 (8 minutes ago)  [bovine] Kurov: very weird timing

 (8 minutes ago)  [bovine] Derek: yeah the server thinks it's tomorrow,
I think

 (8 minutes ago)  [bovine] Derek: look at time

 (8 minutes ago)  [bovine] Kurov: Dentin moved servers today

 (8 minutes ago)  [bovine] Derek: think it's set to gmt

 (8 minutes ago)  [bovine] Eggweard: maybe it is in that time zone now

 (7 minutes ago)  [bovine] Mercedes: Current server time:  Sun Oct  4
00:07:23 2026

 (7 minutes ago)  [bovine] Derek: thats what I mean, so it `thinks'
that it's  `tomorrow'...idk

 (7 minutes ago)  [bovine] Derek: yeah that's what I'm saying