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Creation Date: Sat Nov  3 18:37:26 2001
Channel Name:  gossip

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 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'Description is all contract work,
so it's all nebulous, yeah.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'so have I  '

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'yeah again/ b/c bottom line. and if
the requirements were stronger, then they'd have to do it.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'directly involved I'm  not but i've
paid close attention over the years b ecause when i was a kid we didn't
have descritive anything '

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'but  that is the thing  they only
have to ahve a percent and their way aorund that is by getting rid of
movies.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'that made home news when i got my
first described  movie.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'because of the tv  stuff'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah when they worked on all that
there was a huge flaw.  they should have added in their. oh! and you
have to keep up on movies especially for historical purposes.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'basically we just won't let you get
away with wiggling out. alass'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'yeah so remove the loopholes.
strengthen requirements. b/c we've already seen companies won't do it
voluntarily.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, ':ulling movies from services is a
convenient way for them to get around the description quotas and also
get tax breaks as far as I understand it. It also means paying for less
server storage cost on the backend.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'and if one company does it, it's
encouraging people to sign up and pay! while were not the largest
revenue source money is money. i'm sure they've worked out that part of
things.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'I think its called ADP'

 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'Tbh copyright law needs to be
ammended so studios can't just release a 35th anniversary blu-ray and
renew their copyright on shit that way. That way film preservation
could become a public project. You can't trust for-profit companies to
give a single shit about historical value unless they can also profit
off of it.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'so they have no insenvive to change
things'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'i don't think getting rid of
streaming is the answer. streaming has added much needed competition to
tv. idk about you guys, but even network dramas are so much better
plotted out now.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'i  think the choice is what we want.
haha no streaming will never go away. just make it more palatable'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'that is why audiovault  is  so bad
from what I understand  its doing it all for free and   they don't ahve
any permissions. '

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'well bad is relative'

 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'Disney, Marvel, and DC are the
most notable examples of fudging copyright that way. A good chunk of
all that stuff should be public domain by now, even with the 75-year
window, and tbh I think the 75-year window is 25 years longer than it
should be.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'i don't think getting rid of
streaming is the answer. streaming has added much needed competition to
tv. idk about you guys, but even network dramas are so much better
plotted out now.gossip that's the thing though/ b/c we're a minority,
they won't give a shit about us and what we need unless they are forced
to. if revenue was enough of an insentive, they wouldn't have had to
fight decades to get the audio described requirements we have now.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah they changed it'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'it was 50 years'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'well as far as insentive and
describing it is a bit of a sad cycle. places like audiovault might not
have so much traction if these fartheads did they're jobs in the first
place'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'ugh no its always been 75 years  '

 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'Audio vault isn't worse than
companies lobbying for regional release restrictions so they can charge
three times as much for the same content in different countries and
make sure the blind people in other areas of the world never get any of
the audio described content.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'oh hmmm i heard a long time ago a
rant about how it was g oing up to 75 years. could be wrong. it was a
super long time ago now'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'audio vault doesn't provide video
versions. i'm sure the government is well aware and have considered
going after them. but again b/c we're such a minority they apparently
don't give a shit and allow it to continue. i, for one, am very
grateful.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'I was talkin to a friend in
Australia and they pay 3.5 times as much for US films there as we do
here, and that's after conversiojn rates are accounted for.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'also one other thing as well before 
you hate on them all out'

 (15 hours ago)   Neufi gossips, 'seems like at about the time of the
constitutional convention copyrights were 17 years.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'there is one other thing! there are
cases where the vault has places content up their because in some
places in the world were not allowed to access it'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'not for cash, as in geolocked'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'no it hasn't always been 75 years. it
was changed back in ... the 90's i think? b/c mickey mouse was going to
go into public domain so disney fought tooth and nail to make that not
happen. or... wait it might have not been Mickey Mouse. it might been
Steamboat Willy.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'so even if we can get the base
content we may! not get the description because of geo'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah i remember the ranting when it
went up. i just kinda can't remember all the details. it was different
for us'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'and it goes both ways.. from what
I seen there things we can't get here in the states without paying an
arm and a leg too..  '

 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'It was 1976 when copyright was
extended to 75 years total. It was 28 years before then without renewal
I think. They added another 48 years after renewal.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'I think DMCA in 1998 extended it
to life of the creator plus seventy years after that.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'yeah. we know the people who do a lot
of the work to make content available there for people. b/c blind folks
face enough buriers. why should we face artificial buriers created by
money hungry corporations.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'I think its also   having  to pay 
to have it put in other langues is more costly too.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, '*barriers.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'that's probably in deed truthey
mighty morph. but it's still not right'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'see if they did there jobs correctly
we would pay'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'because in simple terms there would
be something to pay for'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'this is all great, but what has it
really done?  I sitll gotta pay  $140  a year for prime then pay 
anywhere form $10 to $25 FOR A MOVIE I thought I was already paying
for.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'Yep. Geo-blocking is bullshit on
principle. It exists almost completely to artificially inflate prices
across markets'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'that's probably why they like
audiovault. hahaha! yeah mighty morph i get rammed in to that trash as
well.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'why would dubbing in other languages
affect cost of movies in australia or the UK or the US though? that
doesn't make sense. also the more languages you offer it in, the more
revenue possibly. where as blind people are scattered across the world,
a bunch of french speaking people live right in france.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'morph, you hit it on the head.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah hmmm well the organization
doesn't actually support audiovault. but it's funny how after hours a
whole lot of the CNIB group i circle around here and their generally
believe the vault should stay until geolicencing especially for
descriptions disappears'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'yea, but still then you need to
ahve someone to do it in french too..  every  new language means more
money.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'these companies are creating they're
own issues though. if you just released the stuff one could start
making the claim places like vault are harming the econimy ect. on and
on the point! h ere is  in a way they're shooting them selves in the
foot!'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'as it stands certain blind folks may
actually be using it to help! the ecomity. they watch something on
vault, decide they want to support and buuy it. they sure as hell!
won't buy a non described show  from somewhere else first'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'if corporations insist on making
money off people without also trying to provide an actual fairly
provided service, then people will figure out ways to get content. and
i support that. people who can afford it aren't going to spend time
searching for a cracked version of jaws if freedom scientific makes it
easy to pay yearly for the program.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'I might not explain this right,
but at the same point  your kind of stealing the  sounds, which  means
that company is getting less and has less to put into things like
audiodescribing..  I want to say that is how  one person put it to me
when I asked how come they didn't ahve audiovault on their list of 
palces to get movies.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'people like me aren't to waste time
trying to find audio only versions ofa show if it's already on the
streaming service i pay for every month.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah the weird part is a part of me
agrees with you mighty morph'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'it's a hard and vicious cycle'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'but if it's not available, of course
i'm going to look else where.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'but what he said'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'they're creating the problem in that
if i can't get it on legal.com i'll find it somewhere. the name
honestly doens't matter. i t could be pooisgoo.great! for all i know.
it just happens to be the vault in this case. it's the licencing that's
the problem'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'it might not be available  via
oyur steaming or not described via oyur stremaing.  '

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'I don't know personally   I don't
need to see soemthing that bad.. there just too much to watch as there
is.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'but i pay for streaming. i paid for
cable for years and years. and what did it get us> some hours of
required description, not always even a full show (looking at A Million
little things and many others) etc. they only do it when thy think it's
profitable and that's bullshit. i am a perso not just a source of
revenue.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'so then what happens here is traffic
to the vault increases!  some are out to freeload lets table that for
now. let's assume you wanted to pay for it but can't get the movie your
looking for described. you end up going to the vault and increasing
it's traffic not because your a jerk, because you wanted that movie
described and no one else has it'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'sorry that is how the world works
with everything.. every single thing.'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'The studios by and large dont' care
about Audio Vault. We shoudl still pay for the content we watch or to
which we listen, if we ever want there to be more of it.'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'should'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'i tend to agree on the surface of
it'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'but my message above tends to be
what actually happens'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'nod  I eman if we arn't watching
it    via  these streaming servives it probably   makes them think 
there is less interest.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'i agree. most services still let you
pool resources to share a subscription. there are ways of doing it on
fixed income. i'm not arguing to have it all for free forever and ever
without end. providing services cost money to do in the first
place.gossip '

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'but the only way that will truly
happen is if companies start cutting out this crap. geolocking and what
nots.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'and  all these descriptions arn't
free either they gotta pay  a service  to describe it.'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'It's not about the major
corporations either. I'm thinking of the creators... the writers... the
actors... the musicians, etc.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'oh god don't even get me started on
how streaming services measure interest. ugh.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'actors  get paid way too much..
way too much.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'ain't that the truth'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'If we want peopel to know there is
demand for something, we need to support that thing. We may not be
capitalists, but the corporations are.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'right. but when corporations aren't
willing to give up any of that profit in order to provide the service
to everyone equally and accessibly, i stop feeling bad for doing what i
gotta do. i'm not going to feel bad about not lining every streaming
platforms pockets just b/c i get one show from the vault on a platform
i don't pay for already. '

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'Maybe the big movie stars get paid a
lot, but there are lot of independent actors on independent prodctions
that deserve to get paid, and if we still of it, then how do we support
the people that are making what we want to see made?'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'but they are giving up profits to
describe it.. '

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'the top 1% of actors get paid
outrageous amount of money. the rest of them are just like you and i
ant at least most of us who work as employees get benefits. the only
way to do that as an actor is to meet union requirements, pay dues and
get whatever benefits union provides.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'yea I can  agree witht he little
guys.. but someone like the rock getting   40 mil for a signle movie is
 bs.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'ya'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'The budget on description for a
multi million dollar film is like 30 thousand. Roy Samuelson has said
this in multiple interviews.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'and no no i'm all for the litttle
guys. maybe that's the point at least for me'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'yeah agreed. a million of that could
go towards providing more described content.'

 (15 hours ago)   Corswain gossips, 'Bruce Campbell once explained how
actors are paid. He might take home $500000, but after taxes, union
fees and all sorts of other charges, it's a tenth of that.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'or  a boxer getting  gos yes, but
the movies arn't the oen describing it its the streaming  companies. '

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'and there are tons of blind people
out there who would love is more independent films got description.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'comapred to the sighted   we the 
minority.. very small mimority. '

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'me being one of them for sure. i am
totally in favor of that. but when streaming makes it so hard for the
contracting to have description follow it's track, ... again going back
to arguing for more oversight and requirements that would make it more
equitable for smaller productions to get the same traction with blind
folks b/c their content would be accessible too.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'hell even close captioning  is
much bigger  number.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'and yet mean while. while everyone
is having this lovely argument someone went on audiovault and yanked a
movie or show because they coudln't get it properly in they're own
pocket of the world. when i think about it 30 grand is so tiny compared
to these budgets. it's a no brainer!'

 (15 hours ago)   Corswain gossips, 'Audio Vault has been around long
enough for one of these larger studios to notice, but frankly, I don't
think they care. The court costs to shut it down would be higher than
just letting Audio Vault do its thing.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'i think if these companies i think i
mean the streamers more then the movie producers. by the time it gets
to streaming it's done and out of they're hands. but the streaming
companies can, could, and should be doing more. and no they don't care
honestly.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'about the vault i mean'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'I think those of us who can honestly
afford to pay for it should. If we're struggling, we shoudl still
advocate, even if we download a movie or show to eb cultural relevant
to our piers. This isn't an all or nothing moral choice, even as I
think we need to tell the people with the money what we will support.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'sorry what? gossip yep. That is
obviously what is happening. It's audio only, only benefits blind
people, and they've already prove they  do. not. care. about. blind.
people. If you believe differently, you are fooling yourself.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'it was on blindmicemart for like i
can't even count that high how many years and no one said anything all
that important or worth listening to about it'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'also  that  $30k might also be
that cheap as  audiodescription where the background  music  and sounds
are 10 tiems louder   then the description or you can't hear  the
voices   at all or its like the person is mimble.'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'THe mixing of the description is
done with same process that is doen with dubbing of alternate
languages. That 30 k covers the script and the voicing of the
descripiton track.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'honestly  when your a minority 
few care because youa re the minority.. It's truly the way of life.'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'It ight be as much as 60 k these
days'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah you get use to it'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'we should matter as much as everyone
else does. no more, no less. yes providing the service costs money. so
maybe the ceo get's 3 million dollar bonus instead of 10 million dollar
bons. so what?'

 (15 hours ago)   Corswain gossips, 'Which is why it pisses me off when
someone tries to take what little we have away from us.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'it's true that it is how things are.
but is that how you want them to be? do you think you should matter
equally to everyone else?'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'all that money the NFB wastes every
year. same with CNIB why not take a few grand from that not! put it in
our president's pocket and we might have another described movie!'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'there is fair'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'Well, as much as I love audio
description, it is not the only concern for blind or disabled people.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'it is the way   of  the world
though..  everyone  is  mostly  only worried aobut the larger nubmers..
and there really isn't a thing youc an do aobut it.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'shit. i'm not even talking nfb money.
that's chump changes compared to money flowing through streaming and
network let alone movie studio pockets.'

 (15 hours ago)   Corswain gossips, '/last'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'i  don't t hink our useless lug of a
president for the CNIB needs a dime honestly. you get paid when you go
to work and do an actual job. let's describe movies with is salary'

 (15 hours ago)   Corswain gossips, 'Sorry'

 (15 hours ago)   Corswain gossips, 'Syntax confusion'

 (15 hours ago)   Lik gossips, 'I have trouble using the weak and
clumsiness spells they do not seem to affect or are warded of how to
increase the chance to let them succeed?'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'wear  clercast'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'perfect the psell'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'spell'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah they were working great for me.
'

 (15 hours ago)   Lejaguar gossips, 'Beyond cler cast, some mobs just
have powerful curse wards'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'i mean i'm sure if people had that
attitude, we wouldn't have the requirements we do now. we have the
audio description that we have no b/c there were people who were
willing to stand up and say "hey we deserve to share in fair public
access to media just like everyone else." i am personally quite
grateful to those people.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'as am i'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'but it's sad to see certain things
rolled back here as well'

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'If you want to cry victim all the
time, you will be treated as a victim. If you want to make a difference
in the world you see, it means you have to live differently. Life can
suck, but we can do something about how we respond to it. Every.
Single. Moment.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'the fight for disability rites may
end up being a thing  again'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'all of that is fine, but   someone
else said  there a lot more important  things than audiodescription.'

 (15 hours ago)   Corswain gossips, 'Not likely, not right now at
least.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'i think it's all a part of the same
story honestly. '

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'What about health insurance? Service
dog denials?'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'maybe in 50 10 years.. but like
close captioning which took years to be what it is today.. '

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'hmmm there may be something
somewhere that is pretty damn important. accessible curbs, safe
transit, but if you leave out audio description what's next. that safe
transit?'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'pretty much every movie has close
captioning.. '

 (15 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'Only way to do something about it,
is to keep putting on the pressure.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'it's more like ... there are other
issues with similar problems that guide them. i don't know if it's fair
to compare media access with other issues directly facing blind folks.
it's certainly a lot better than it used to be. but there's still more
work to be done. sort of thing. where as some things have obviously
gotten worse. and somet things never got better in the first place.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'max  I can't see that happening.. 
audiodescription as I said I think is just the lesser  thing.. '

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'being able to navigate get aroudn
your town.. get a dog for those that need that.. help with shopping or
getting aorudn.. I think is a much bigger convern than if we can watch
red santa.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'think about how much of the world
people learn about through media access these days, particularly
children.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'it may be. my point is well half!
agreeing with some  others.  some stuff is pretty damn important. if
you start picking at what we should or shoudln't be covering though
like a rotting corpse what inevidablly happens is that line will be
drawn back  f arther and farther. what's after described content. safe
trains? braille elevators?'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'movies is not media access.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'how much of what we experience
directly or indirectly is through a screen. meaning some kind of media
or multi-media experience.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'so i agree with mighty morph but i
think we need to be careful where those lines are drawn. i also
disagree up to a general point.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'development and world knowledge also
important just in a different way from health insurance and physically
accessing local businesses right? different, not worse or better.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'it's like a meal. really we need a
well balanced meal to stay healthy right?'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'I think people having access to 
the internet  is a far bigger thing to me  than  being able to watch a
movie.. There far more   you can do with that then watching a movie.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'max i agree with you there.
unfortunately too many people are happy to just accept what we're given
without saying "hey we actually deserve the same as everyone else." '

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'well i think this is similar in that
way. we need all of it on the plate somewhere.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'now it's one thing if your principals
or morals say that no one deserves anything and we all should have to
earn every scrap we get. i can't argue much with that i guess. '

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'sorry, but I think there are
thigns  that should be  of a much larger concern. '

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'hmmm with out the movie though you m
ay not know something is going on. a movie about disability rites for
example. there is one just can't remember it's name. how would we know
with out that movie? it can go both ways'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'that's relative'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'we not tlaking about movies like
that though max.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'talking'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'maybe we should be'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'movies is one part of media access.
media access refers to the larger realm of multi-media used to convey
information. video, pictures, gifs, movies. it's all visual media.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'most of those movies  youc an get 
 on these   afb and nfb etc sites.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'if someone didn't rite that movie we
wouldn't  know what they went through to give us rites. i'm not saying
all the other stuff isn't important. hardly!'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'but that movie and movies like it
are a part of our story. history's story'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'yeah morph, exactly! internet access
is a huge issue'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'so now we have things like internet
access why? because someone told us about it. it's all important man.
trust me. i know what your sayinng and agree up to a point.'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'yeah i mean representation is awhole
different also important issue. haha.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'we tlaking  2 different animals
here..   red santa  vs  the history of  the blind  are 2 totalyl
different things.. most that kind of content   can be found on most of
these  AFB nfb  and the like'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'well i cherry picked that 
particular movie but the point is! it's all intograted'

 (15 hours ago)   Gillic gossips, 'thankys'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'that's not really the point though'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'I jsut feel  there a big 
difference  between having acces to just a common movie  vs  soemthing 
of  true importance like  how to feed your  sight seeing dog  video.. '

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'one might argue how can you have one
with out the other.'

 (15 hours ago)   Morpheus gossips, 'ugh  never mind.. '

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'your right! but really it is an
intograted thing'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'unfortunately you're talking about
making value judgments on the quality and content of what should and
shouldn't be accessible. i think that's a slippery slope. it's why i
talk about it in terms of general media access. once we have widespread
media access, we can quibble over what and what doesn't need it.'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah i'm trying very hard to avoid 
that'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'haha!'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'idon't think it's partciular useful'

 (15 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'if we went their i think there are
shows they should describe because I! like them. LOL'

 (15 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'the problem with things like health
insurance and public physical access (guide dog issues, general
navigation, etc) are kind of similar to media access though. people are
willing to settle especially when they learn there's a price attached.
and since most of the people who'd have to give up some of that money
have the most, they can easily fight more requirements or regulations
that would bring improvements in those areas.'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'yeah like i  really only picked that
movie because i'd really love for blind people here to watch it and
realize why we need an ADA and a few other little things. I feel blind
canadians just don't actually stand up enough some times.'

 (14 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'thanks for the anon gift!'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'the CNIB sucks and isn't doing it's
job. oh well what can you do kind of atitude'

 (14 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'yeah i honestly don't know much about
the effectiveness of the cnib. can't speak to that since i really have
no idea. i believe ou though. :)'

 (14 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'i bet that feels pretty
discouraging.'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'well i feel for folks who are worse
off. i'm bless  with my mobility and reasonablly good health minus a 
couple niggling issues like getting older.'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'i could have it a lot worse and some
of  those  folks are! being let down. badly'

 (14 hours ago)   Neufi gossips, 'thanks'

 (14 hours ago)   Vador gossips, 'thx'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'doesn't it get hard comunicating
with us from across the world? time zones and such.'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'mc'

 (14 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'tell anon thank you!'

 (14 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'uh i meant thank anon for the gift of
exp. :)'

 (14 hours ago)   Lejaguar gossips, 'You couldn't find anyone named
'anon' to tell to.'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'i t hink he means the bot'

 (14 hours ago)   Lejaguar gossips, 'Gasp'

 (14 hours ago)   Kevyn gossips, 'hehe'

 (14 hours ago)   Lik gossips, 'I spend 4 pracs on deffraction but when
I tried it I had 0 knowledge of the spell so tried again and hd to
spend again 3 pracs so is this a clitch ?'

 (14 hours ago)   Lik gossips, 'I used 7 pracs for one spell strange'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'the not learning it at all is
strange. no not all spells use 3. certain spells need 5 or more
practices  to get to 80 plus'

 (14 hours ago)   Lik gossips, 'yeah but diffraction costs 4 but I used
6 7 pracs '

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'in less you miss read and it didn't
teach it to you at all. wrong trainer or something. not sure about
glitch. store power i think only learns you 14% so you need a buntch of
practices'

 (14 hours ago)   Lik gossips, 'I had first 9 pracs then I hd 5 '

 (14 hours ago)   Lik gossips, 'then I had to try again and had 2'

 (14 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'The help file says diffraction
should only take 3 to learn up to 84%, so could actually be a glitch.'

 (14 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'You can use the bug command to
report'

 (14 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'Type bug and then a short
description of problem.'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'probably wants his pracs back
though'

 (14 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'True. Not sure who to contact for
that though.'

 (14 hours ago)   Madmax gossips, 'i'd probably wait until a  god can
check in to it. and bug report it in case you keep missing them. 
they're people too. lives all that.'

 (14 hours ago)   Kassilda gossips, 'Seems like a good approach, yeah.'

 (13 hours ago)   Vador gossips, 'thx'

 (13 hours ago)   Glacier gossips, 'thanks'

 (13 hours ago)   Shutyo gossips, 'thx'

 (13 hours ago)   Neufi gossips, 'thanks :)'

 (13 hours ago)   Trumpkin gossips, 'what class is a good secondary
class to cleric'

 (13 hours ago)   Nessie gossips, 'warrior'

 (12 hours ago)   Trumpkin gossips, 'thanks'

 (12 hours ago)   Gillic gossips, 'thankys'

 (10 hours ago)   Dex gossips, 'raa!'

 (10 hours ago)   Nightmaster gossips, 'thanks'

 (10 hours ago)   Nightmaster gossips, 'is there some where near raul
to get dragon teeth'

 (10 hours ago)   Hran gossips, 'The necromancer guildmaster gives some
very useful tips for that kind of stuff,, just talk to him.'

 (10 hours ago)   Radagast gossips, 'Anyone know if the gods are ok
with bringing in a second character to resurrect a first on the same
account? I know we aren't supposed tto play 2 at once.'

 (10 hours ago)   Noryn gossips, 'it's not allowed, just ask for one'

 (10 hours ago)   Radagast gossips, 'ask for a resurrect? You mean like
just other players?'

 (10 hours ago)   Radagast gossips, 'Anyone willing to resurrect me
near Koralia's Heart?'

 (10 hours ago)   Radagast gossips, 'Thanks!'

 (10 hours ago)   Radagast gossips, 'Woot!'

 (9 hours ago)    Radagast gossips, 'Anyone willing to resurrect me.
Again!'

 (9 hours ago)    Pickles gossips, 'yes, one sec'

 (9 hours ago)    Radagast gossips, 'Now I have to find level 37 camels
to kill!'

 (9 hours ago)    Draak@alter draak gossips, 'that's the digs. sorry,
kid'

 (9 hours ago)    Radagast gossips, 'The good and the bad'

 (9 hours ago)    Draak gossips, 'facts of life'

 (9 hours ago)    Radagast gossips, 'like having to wait for the cool
new instruments!'

 (8 hours ago)    Shutyo gossips, 'thx'

 (8 hours ago)    Mictard gossips, 'You loudly proclaim that herbs do
not in fact smell bad, and that something must be wrong with everyone'

 (8 hours ago)    Mictard gossips, 'true'

 (7 hours ago)    Gillic gossips, 'thankys'

 (7 hours ago)    Mictard gossips, 'word up to my mictarded mother '

 (5 hours ago)    Tuesdale gossips, 'Thank youu.'

 (4 hours ago)    Coffee gossips, 'noce'

 (4 hours ago)    Jesse gossips, 'thanks'

 (4 hours ago)    Coffee gossips, 'nice'

 (1 hour ago)     Noryn gossips, 'what is up, good people'

 (1 hour ago)     Geez gossips, 'good day to u sir'

 (1 hour ago)     Noryn gossips, 'hope all is well'

 (1 hour ago)     Coffee gossips, 'Woo thank you.'

 (1 hour ago)     Coffee gossips, 'Nice!'

 (1 hour ago)     Ribbon gossips, 'thanks'